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but next time you use your analogy, i'll give you my joke. we've got on the one hand an aging raving socialist with hair all ore the place and then bernie sanders. try that next time. >> jack, thanks so much for coming in. >> i hope we've captured somebody on the idea of form and substance in these debates. look at the substance of the democratic debate. >> great to see you. >> that's it for today. join us tomorrow. right now it's time for "squawk on the street." ♪ the michigan fight song after a big night for politics last night. good wednesday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla along with joe cramer and david faber.
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europe's higher. shorts may be coming ahead of draghi's meeting tomorrow. oil is father. inventories in about five minutes from now. stocks in the midst of the third longest bull market ever. we'll look at what the plays are leading the way. three new directs have been appointed at valiant. what it means for its company and the struggling shareholders. another illness youts brake at chipotle causing a store in massachusetts to close. stock is falling on that market. first the bull market is turning seven. the dow's up 159%. s&p up 193%. nasdaq up 266%, not included dividends. it would be the next day, our co-anchor, mark haines, sat here at the exchange and said this was it, the worst was truly over in his view.
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take a listening. >> however, i'm going to step out on a limb here. >> this is the big -- hold on, we've been waiting for this. >> i think we're at the bottom, i really do. >> that morning futures were at the bottom. it was real. he was looking at the dow, 200 day moving average. at the time dow was sitting at 67% of it. >> i used to -- i first met mark because we used to e-mail back and forth and fight about stocks and finally he said, listen, i want you to come on. he said, listen, there's no room for a fat bald guy to come on. thank god i lost weight. >> and you had hair. >> to a degree. kind of a combover with a sun stan. what mark was really after at all times is what he called the crescendo. he wanted to see the selling. he always loved 9-1. he wanted to see 9-1 and just see the great flush where there
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would be no one left. this is it. they're done selling. it wasn't so much buying as they're done selling. it was a classic case of mark saying the crescendo is here, whoerch wants s whoever wants go is gone. i loved the about mark. mark did not make ten calls and seven of them work. he made like three calls and he was like three for three. i always loved him. i would go, come on, mark. this is it. this is it. he would always say no crescendo, no crescendo. i remember speaking to him that day. a lot of people were down. he said, no, they're done. selling is done. it's hard to remember. you go back how scary it was. we already were through much of the crisis so to speak and the events, of course, with that previous fall in '08. but in '09 with the s&p, 666 was the low? >> yeah. i was the sign of the devil.
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>> it was a very scary time. ge, i remember having him on the show one of those mornings when the stock was below. >> i know. i put money in the treasury. i didn't have it in the bank. >> a dollar, remember? 99 cents. bank of america's stock -- i mean incredible moment. >> some other names that have done well since, general growth, 38 cents. now the biggest gainer since that time, 7000% gain was 3084%, under armour, 2514%. wyndham. >> you don't have to get a shot in your eye. you can do it once and it's
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effective. i'm going to take nike. are you kidding me? david versus goliath. turned out he had a slingshot. wi wyndham was krindable. that was a company that decided they're going to buy caterpillar stuff and rent it to you and then hanesbrands. is that not incredible? >> wow. look at that. cbs also right up there. some were trading like they were about to go bankrupt when, in fact, their balance sheets were fine. >> that was really the issue. >> these were not -- these did not have -- cbs. >> some of those prices -- netflix at $5.
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starbucks at $4. then it seems like a different world. >> starbucks, what was it doing at $4. you can't figure it. l brands. here's the greatest retailer ever and it was way down. proxy holdings. it's doing quite well now. >> yes. >> no. there's -- i mean, no. look, this is not of american air. >> oh, i'm sorry. yeah. i was distracted looking at las vegas sands because i remember that also as one of the names, do you remember, almost on the brink. >> oh, yes. >> it had incredible moves. some of these -- i remember speaking to kevin plank during that period. i remember him saying, tell you what i've about got.
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jim, since the end of qe, s&p hasn't done anything, right? >> bummeroony. look, there's some stocks that have done okay. f.a.n.g. has done okay. these are largely domestic companies when you look at them. i think the u.s. is strong and the rest of the world got weak and that's really the problem. a lot of the stocks that were strong going into the top were, you know, off the natural, you know. cliffs resources, cole companies, steel companies. letter x used to go up every day. it was nutty. china. you know, signatures.
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every kiss begins with nothing. i was still having a triple -- >> i know. it's hard given the passage of time how scared everyone was. you remember the conversations. what is the value of paper money, what should i put in my backyard, what should i be burying back there, i wanted out of the bangks. those were all the conversations. >> i remember going on the nightly news and saying i hope my atm is working. there was a possibility that the banks -- >> although, frankly the worst had already passed. the night ge was rolling its commercial paper that fall and was this close in october of '08 let's call it, somewhere in there, that was the moment. that was the moment when it all could have come. >> not a great time. >> ge was like, whoa, we're
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going to be able to sell this stuff? >> it's a real credit crisis. it's a reminder of what happened february 10, february 11 this year, they were saying, hey, deutsche bank, that was a credit crisis. this is a credit crisis. caterpillar could not sell its a great machinery. so let's remember this was a systematic credit crisis. >> well, we're still living obviously with the ancillary effects of the crisis in politics. four states went to the polls last night. decisive victories winning michigan, hawaii, cruz winning idaho. polling had shown a big advantage firefighter clinton. clinton did win mississippi. now we look ahead to tuesday, of course. ohio, florida, north carolina, missouri, but that -- the trends of globalization, of flat wageses, jim, that is resonating everywhere in these states.
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>> it's interesting. to be able to promote jobs and sell principle shampoo to china under attack. nafta under attack. trump resonating with a view that, look, no one's playing fair and everyone knows if you work at a union, at gm or ford, that they are paid too much versus where you can 3,000 miles south make $5 an hour to make cars. does resonate. >> does that continue to be part of the process and do you expect that whoever the next candidate or president may be that they're going to be tougher on trade as a result of what seems to be the public's desire for that, least to the support of candidates and what will that mean? when you talk to guys in europe, i was on the phones this morning. that's all they do. trump? what? huh? >> yeah. when i was over there.
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when i was in london last week, they were like, he's not going to be elected. what do i know. i will say this is the epicenter of michigan. that's where the big jobs are taken away. it's one for one over there. they really think toyota took the -- >> all right. if free trade is under attack, you would think you would not want to own multinational stocks. >> true. but i would come back and say this is a place where uniquely nafta did take away the jobs and you're not taking away -- look. could there be a backlash against some international companies. walmart's got them. no. but in this particular venue it is very clear that mark fields said on air on the show on "mad money," hey, listen, we can't beat the japanese. so i mean maybe what happens is we just do steel. put tariffs on steel. look. it hasn't been fair. it's very difficult. >> no. >> there's a train that runs by my house in mexico three times a
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day, and it is filled with cars that cost very little and they're german and they're japanese, and it is so simple. the towns that i go to are filled with german and japanese people making cars and it's a windfall. it's where your car is made if you buy one of these foreign cars. >> despite we made some progress in south carolina and some of the germans came to build in tennessee, but not enough. >> in the time i've been there, 500,000 cars a year. it's where harmon is and ppg. it's where they all are. you hear the trains. it's like, geez, it's just as easy to make a car in these cities in mexico thant is. i say, the train just goes up rather than east-west. it's an amazing thing. >> not if there's a wall.
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>> if there's a wall, i imagine -- look. that wall's going to be so well built. have you ever seen the trump plaza? that's good structurally. the structure work is incredible there. >> we're going to be having this talk a lot over the next few months. when we come back, more signs of a shift in digital sports. what disney and facebook are saying. and up next, alan joyce, talking field prices and the growth in asia and the industry. take a look at the premarket. we had the first drop in s&p in nine sessions, longest in the year. more "squawk on the street" from post 9 in a minute.
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facebook confirming to "vary ity" it is in talks with the nfl to stream live games and is looking at boosting "i" efforts in other live streaming. meanwhile disney says they need to improve on the digital front and selling from espn to the direct consumer is a possibility. take a look yesterday. by and large it's not an issue. distribution in some cases are not that they limit us in terms
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of our ability do it but they limit it in terms of how we take it out to the consumer and i don't want to get into any details. it can be done. there are issues we have to face in doing it. price is an issue, by the way. >> they also talk about "rogue," the movie coming out. >> there's a continuous concern about cord cutting and the dissipation of subscribers in this ecosystem. it's happening. it will continue to happen, and it will continue to be the focus of invest ters. there's no doubt. espn has been an incredible product, we know that. it has an enormous audience. not just the channel but all platforms so it is a big business, but will it be one
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about programming as they start to proliferate orren to bundles. right now there cease still so little going on there. you have sling tv from dish, which he referred to as saying, it seems it's done pretty well, but what iger has heard. but there aren't many out there. at&t introduce something, but it's a big bundle. it's not smaller. it's not at a level that's going to attract many people. if apple can get into this big. so far by the way on pricing they haven't figured it out either to come at a price level that the american consumer really want. when that happens, we're going to be talking more and more about that and, okay, can you slift your mod toll direct and what do people have to pay for it for you the make up the loss of subscribers that's taking place over time slowly but surely. >> and that drove the stock down just back in the conversation. i think the facebook announcement was very interesting.
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yahoo got very little traction, i felt, or they didn't play it up. what matters here is if facebook wanted to get in on this or if google alphabet wanted to get in on this, they can pay almost anything. >> in terms of for sports rights. >> yes. >> and start competing. >> i know. and we know that while the big issue is whether espn can extract its worth. >> right. because they paid big numbers. >> when you get somebody like facebook in. they can skin a cat in so many different ways. >> why would we believe the roi for facebook is better than espn? >> i'll tell you. you know, my thinking with facebook and the nfl is the international rights are going to be up and facebook is an international company. and if you put on london, if you put on the game in london at the right time, you could have china prime time. i think china prime time for the nfl is the biggest thing out
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there, and i think facebook wants it. i know that when i speak with people from them, it's a killer. >> it was clear from the comments at the conference yesterday they're thinking great deal about this and strategizing about it in great detail. he didn't share necessarily everything but he mentioned creating new products for subscribers that include not all of espn but parts of it so you get away from this one size fits all. you can customize. we're at the beginning of this transformation. it's happening. >> i thought lowell mcadam, when i was ott in san francisco, he's the ceo of verizon, he says, hey, sure, i don't think we violated any contract at all. in the interim, i've got that skinny package. i've got the espn that i want. i don't want channel 7, that
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crucial game between springfield high and wastch wissahickon. >> we'll take another look at the premarket. we've got interesting calls on ross stores, fire i and others. we'll be back in just a moment. oh hey allison. i'm val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. val from voya? yeah, val from voya. quick question, what are voya retirement squirrels doing in my house? we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person? no, i'm more like a metaphor. okay, a spokes-metaphor. no, i'm... you're a spokes-metaphor. yeah. ok. see how voya can help you get organized at
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all right. it's that time with 6 1/2 minutes go before we get to that opening bell do. you want to talk a bit about chipotle and their latest issue. >> yes, david. there was a group harold mel vip and the blue notes and they had
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a song called "bad luck." that's what they've got, bad luck. this is a stores that to be closed because some of the employees are sick. now, i wonder -- who knows. maybe one person catches it from another. but this could put front and center this whole idea that it's not better yet. now, the e. coli, the zarnds that they're using, shipping all the stuff to chicago, washing it, sending it vacuum packed made me feel light's should be the standard for all. i don't know if you got the free coupon. this is a situation where i think that people will overlook it. now, guys like us are now talking about it so people may be thinking, oh, i can't believe it. but i think these guys are out of the woods. this is obviously a bad [. remember, they bought a lot of stock right here. they'll be in. they can do it again. this company earned people's
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trust and i'm going to minimize it. i myself am going to say if the stock goes below 500, i think it should be a 5. >> every time somebody gets sick -- >> do we think other restaurants haven't had issues? do you think this place isn't just hypersensitive? now, they closed it. other people would keep serving. they closed it. but it is a company that is responsible, that is doing the right thing and trying to get ahead of it, but it's got bad luck. >> if it weren't for bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all. we have the opening bell coming up. we have valiant coming up anld pfizer shares. so many other things to come here on "squawk on the street."
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"squawk on the street." the opening bell in a few minutes. we mentioned ro eed ross stores yesterday. >> the stock has moved so much. it's such a good company. when you nail a company like that, you've got it right. sometimes you take a victory lap. that was a good search. my hat's off to them. i don't blame them one bit. they should sometimes go high bier that's what you do sometimes as an analyst. i made a good call. congratulations. >> at the same time some downgrades for names that have not done well, groupon, yelp, this morning cut by ups. >> i think groupon is okay. yelp has been hurt by google, by the change in algorithms. also this whole thing about rating people, like i could rate david. i mean i give david a one star -- >> one star? >> i'm sorry. i mean five stars. if you give me five stars, i'll
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give you five stars. >> there you go. >> the opening bell and the look at the s&p at the bottom of your screen. it's the new york city football club and qantas doing the honors. ceo is going to join us later on "squawk on the street." earnings-wise we'll get square and jack dorsey tonight on "closing bell." >> i think jack dorsey is at the epicenter of some companies. >> yeah. there's that. there's twitter and square. two companies. >> twitter will ever be defined as your interview with dick and yours with jack dorsey. they geesht to change that perception. do you remember that interview with jack dorsey? >> yeah. >> can you come up with an
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analogue, you know, of another interview that was like that? >> the marissa mayer interview was interesting. >> that too. >> of richard nixon. >> that stock is still down 20% this year. others in that sector have rallied. >> when i created f.a.n.g., i never meant to create f.a.n.g.ed. southwestern, murphy, cabot -- interesting. looking at energy companies with the lowest long-term deficit.
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>> they raised its dividend a couple of earring ago. that's kind of family company. they said, listen, we understand, we can do this unless it all goes down really, realreally far. that's great. that that's a great balance sheet. i think we're separating the good from the bad here. a lot of companies need their stocks higher here. southwest bought their series of properties from chesapeake, gas properties that were not well timed. that was not aubrey. but these companies need it. every company still needs to raise equity. $35 oil nobody needs to make money. they're just, wow, really bad. don't forget, $1.77 for natgas.
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nother make money and the coal companies really don't make money, holy cow. >> just the shipping costs alone. >> did you see the bankruptcy judge allowed one of these mystery companies to walk away? >> yeah. >> that's big. i don't know how that affects access midstream partners. >> all of those things are being watched. some are in llps and there's a lot of concern that you're going see a wave of downgrades yet to come. >> have to. have to. >> whether it's days or weeks, it will have an impact. it's thought to be coming. >> they got killed yesterday afternoon. there's one called azure. this is not where you want to be. there's way too much pipe. now, there's not enough natural gas pipe. you still need natural gas to get to certain places. >> darden making some news with a guide. $1.18 to $1.21.
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streets at $1.06. >> clarence otis, previous ceo came on "mad money" years and years ago. just watch gasoline. that determines the people who go there. well, it's happening now. it's a new ceo. they've done a remarkable job. they've gotten rid of red lobster, the seafood lover in you. you get the unlimited salad bowl at olive garden and rolls. what do i tell you to wear? >> cargo pants. >> go to target and get cargo pants and stuff your pants with rolls. you've got food for weeks. >> did your parents ever steal the sweet n low? >> maybe my parents did. >> do you remember what time you ate din were your family? >> 5:00. >> what was that place in miami,
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you had rat. this isn't the year that people forget, but this is the year of value. i went through with value. my father was a depression guy. we're seeing it again. that's why i don't want to get off ross stores. value matters. >> speaking of values, valiant. >> valiant. >> value act. i need to mention valiant pharmaceuticals. they added three board members effect active immediately taking the side of its board to 14. one person stepped down. they have 12 independent directors now. he had been a senior partner there. he's been at perching for a little while now. valeant. of course, we're going get new
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guidance from the company next week. ceo mike pearson has now been back in the job for a little over a week after being out for a couple of months with serious illness, but you wonder mr. ackman who's the second largest shareholder does himself any fabors when he's quoted in the bloomberg stories as he was yesterday either management will restore confidence in the reputation of the company with the public and investment of the community or they won't. if they can't, then one of two things will happen. new management will be brought in or the business will be sold. i don't know that that's helpful when you're -- when your influential share holder says something like that in public. they say, no way. you could sell some stuff. you may be able to find some buyer, but you're not selling this whole company. >> no. >> you've got 30 billion in debt
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on it still. you've got real questions about how much they can push in terms of price. you've got the failure of the. >> there was kirkland. i was a summer associate and i got an assignment for him and right around that time, i -- i had buttons, right, and i would take a nap and i fell down and i had the three buttons on my forehead. >> i never heard this story. >> he was like, whoa, how are you doing. so that was my -- that wasn't right for steve. it was for someone else. but i remember steve was a great great partner.
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>> he's a jumbo as well like me. a university graduate. >> he was a mover and shaker and ilove him. if he's involved, that's a great. >> he's fabulous. >> he's on the board. by the way, pershing square is the third largest holder after 28.6%. >> fraden will tolerate nothing. that is a very strong choice. when i saw that, i said, wow, okay, that's an uptick, but in terms of takeover, who knew. could you talk galalaxo into it? >> the former judge who was a university president, he was the other guy appointed. so it'serle marngs friday and, and thomas w. ross sr. and there
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you go. >> now what does it mean in terms of being able to sell stock? >> he's not necessarily locked up, but you've got be careful. >> butter time this company announces anything, this stock goes hard. every time. and then faw days later it kind of drifts down. especially if hillary is on the warpath. she's on the warpacket fth for >> there's a video going around about a carrier plant being closed. >> trump has been talking about that. >> this is the anti-nafta thing that's going on. >> no doubt. that's why i ask those questions when he talks about a 45% tariff and the possibility of a trade war or significant settlement.
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>> before we move on, we should mention fooizer. th pfizer. >> ion shares to be be received tomorrow. goad man sax doing that for them. they got the stock up a little bit. >> how do they do that at the same time they're buying another? >> they can to do it. >> they can do it. >> it's fine. >> pfizer helping to lead it. let's get to bob pisani on the floor. hey, bob. >> hi, there. the important thing, oil's up, energy's leading. take a look. of course, we know what's happened.
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ener energy's leading today. i call them big beta energy names. chesapeake, southwest, murphy. these the are ones that move a lot as oils move. they're all moving up 2%, 3%, 4%. some of the drillers like enskoe are moving to the upside right now. we talk about the driller, deep sea drillers. if you're like rowan. there are a lot of companies who have done round trips. rowan was 7, the bottom line is we have no idea how to value any of these companies because we don't noah their business model is going to be like. they're contracted to do deep sea drilling and we don't know
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whether there's going to be demand. that's when you get these crazy moves. let's look elsewhere. europe has moved. it's encouraging to see european financials hold up reasonably well. no big selloff. here you also had this round trip phenomenon going on. look. i'm just picking one of them. put up year to date. that was 35 in mid-january and then it sort of drops down again at the bottom. you can see it's recovered but not entirely u-shaped. it's recovered. it's certainly very encouraging. most of this is very tentative. a lot of people are expecting him to dramatically increase the qe that they're doing and extend the duration of the qe and there may be a move down if we don't get that kind of performance
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from mr. draghi tomorrow. elsewhere a lot of other indicys still very tentative. if you look at japan for example, japan was down again today. it's almost 10% off its lows. it did come off the lows but it's still down 12 1/2% year to date. a lot of sideways movement in the last few days. same thing with china. china's not doing much. remember, they hit a 52-week low. that's a 52-week low at the end of january and you can see they're up 4%, 5% or so. a lot of sideways. and maybe that's the best we can expect in this environment. maybe here in the u.s., 2,000 right now which is roughly where we're sitting could be the best we can possibly expect. so, guys, i think right now until we get clarity on what the central banks are doing. sideways consolidation would be the best that's happening to the markets. right now, the dow.
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68 points. >> let's get over to chicago and check in with rick santelli this morning. good morning, rick. >> good morning, carl. fin and wile. that's the only phrase i can think of. when i start showing you these charts, you'll know exactly what i mean. think about it. we've had fails, ten-year on special. there are shortages. there's huge demand. the treasury has almost $2 trillion in lockdown. it isn't only our markets. look at two days of tens. we're at 190, 180, back at 1 0, back down. we have plenty to auction off. look at two-day of ten-year boons. they were 23 back down at 16, back up at 23. now we're really going to see a thin wild market. they really trade by apoundment and that's a little nerve raking
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in and of itself when you start thinking about how much of this is out there, how much debt they have. we know that supposedly all the demographics hold the paper. it's pretty old but look at this. here's the tenure, minus 5, minus 10, minus 12. they had a 30-year auction. the there was a small hog for a whiechl look at this. they were 72. they drop dound 46. in absolute terms that isn't a record drop but it's one of the biggies but in percentage terms that i don't like to use when you get to these smaller numbers, it was a record. record low yield, by the way, back up to 72. thin, thin, thin. is this auger well? is central banks and policy contagion wrapping around the central banks meeting? you want to pay attention to that. all of you would think it would lead to a euro rally our euro
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bank of significance, but it's drifting lower. i move this one back to october of last year so you can see the importance of some of these bans, whether it's 96 to 98. the 99 9 si9 resistance. fixed income is giving you lots of clues. hold onto the rails. back to you. >> we're going to be doing that tomorrow morning, rick. third quarters so much. when we come back, attorney general loretta lynch testifying in front of the senate judiciary. wheel bring you the headlines as she addresses potentially apple and the fbi. later walt mossberg takes on the new samsung phone. dow's up 60 points.
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square is expected to report its earnings. shares had dipped below that ipo
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price of 9 but has since come bachlk we'll sit down with jack dorsey tonight on "closing bell" for an exclusive interview. a lot of discussion about that it's richly valued at this point. >> it's a very crowded space. >> yep. >> i mean i've had showman on. it was bad before. visa, now, visa's a partner with square, so you have to -- there's partnerships, there's a lot of frenemies. but in the end i've always questioned how hard it is. i talk about recruiting. how you do do it?
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send them over to square -- no, twitter. that conversation fascinated me. who do you favor? >> i know. i mean i understand your point. >> this is all we've got. >> this is it. >> let's say you're the general manager of the eagles and the redskins. hold it. he's a really good player. let's give him the redskins. i want the redskins to win. there's a not so great player. give him the eagles. >> if it's bradford making that kind of money, i'd going to the eagles. >> we fire someone every single day. maybe those are the guys going to twitter. maxwell goes to twitter. >> nolo went there. >> yes, he did. >> they could not have matched that. >> i wonder if he's happy about that. >> everyone's happy.
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>> we'll get stock trade in a minute. dow's up 49 points. don't go away.
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time for crimer and stock trading. >> sometimes you want to be early like at the wolfy's house.
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that's when we got the early special. i want to show you the chinese freight. this is a couple week chart. it's kind of an actual fundamental reason. that's very paz tish. a lot of people think -- we didn't talk about it but that's an indicator that maybe you may think it's a short recovery rally. that's to send goods from one place to another and i regard that as heartening. thank you, matt, for giving that to me. i do not think it's on theory. if they can get offering donees as we've seen, whether it's marathon oil or newfield, they work. just be careful. if they pull back, caterpillar
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pulls back to the 60s, i think it's going to get an adherence. we had a great interview with chevron yesterday. chevron's doing pretty well. so let's not give up on some of these bigger oils. that was fantastic. tech data. this is a company that tells you exactly how tech's really doing. think they're unsure how they're doing. tech data. the great supermarket of tech. >> before we close out the how, hour, we want to wish a happy birthday to our producer, todd. not only is he the architect of the show but so much of what works and is smart, it's due to him, more than you can possibly know. so happy birthday. >> so true. a great guy, great dad, great
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son, great husband. >> he's a child. >> he is a child. >> 50, turns out i thought was old. >> not anymore. >> 60 is old. there's no way around it. you're not even middle age. >> i think he's giving us a wrap right now. >> when we come back, google rolling out. google destinations. an exclusive with the executive in charge and what that might mean for priceline and expedia. don't go away.
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> good wednesday morning. welcome back to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla along with sara eisen, simon hobbs, and david faber. oil up more than 2% is helping wchl'll get inventories in 30 minutes. let's get to rick santelli. >> i'll tell you what. normally this is a january set of numbers, but this is
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important especially when you see the direction. all right. we see inventories. we're expecting a small drop. remember, both inventories and sales have three negatives on a month-over-month running. how about the fourth? not for inventories. it was up last month. you've wiped out the negatives there. this is the best number since june of last year which was up 0.7. sales on the other hand, huge miss. we ended down 1.3. it's the fourth negative in a row. we had three. this is the fourth negative in a row minus 1.3. you have to go back to january of last year. january of last year to see a bigger negative, which was minus 3.4. and last month's minus 0.3 to 0.6. not the economic outcome one would hope for looking for growth. carl and the gang, back to you. >> thank you, rick.
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we should note that stocks, yields and the data remain higher. donald trump won in michigan, mississippi, and hawaii and clinton leads over bernie sanders. john harwood has the details. >> sara, we had a surprising night in the primaries. first of all, let's start on the democratic side where hillary clinton was stunned in michigan. defeated bernie sanders even though pre-election polls showed her way ahead. they show her ahead in states like ohio and illinois. now t good news for hillary clinton was in mississippi she won overwhelmingly against sanders as she has in other southern states with large african-american voters. she extended her lead. on the republican side, donald trump came through despite the attacks from the establishment, won michigan comfortably over
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ted cruz who finished second, john kasich disappointed to finish third. donald trump won in mississippi. he bead ted cruz. marco rubio had a poor showing. ted cruz had break through in the state of idaho. he's done better in the smaller caucus states. finally overnight donald trump won in hawaii. this is one marco rubio had hoped to win. he was disappointed. overall it was a good night for donald trump, decent night for hillary clinton, not good in terms of the race and the momentum. in terms of the contest goifoor both marco rubio and john kasich weakened. they need to grab a block of delegates if the delegate forces who are trying to stop trum can keep him from getting a convention majority. this race has got a lot of
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twists and turns to go. >> is the trump path to the nomination all but certain? we're joined by a partner at america affairs. welcome. >> a great to be with you. >> on sanders and the trump front, we've got trump, northern republican sweeping the deep south. if they can win michigan, what's to say they both can't win ohio? >> i think you're absolutely right. quite aside from who i want to win, i think both donald trump and bernie sanders have tapped into this deep dissatisfaction affecting the working class across the midwest and i include in that my home state of minnesota on the edge of the industrial midwest and there's no reason they boenlt can't win. even though they come from different places, they're talking about some of the same places, particularly the trade issue. that resonates across the midwest.
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>> do you believe that carries? >> the hope that donald trump doesn't get it is john kasich who has a better claim in the midwest and will come through and win in ohio and carry that on and win in other places in the midwest, but i've got to say, you know, trump has shown resilience and strength everywhere. it's almost impossible today to imagine anyone actually going into the convention with a majority of delegates other than donald trump. so the question is can he be slowed down just enough so that you go into a convention, have an open convention and then who knows what happens. >> well, if that happens, the republican establishment will try to rally around one of the candidates. who is it at this point? is it marco rubio whose momentum is declining or john kasich? >> it depends. i must say i found in the last few days of discussing this with
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people f you come from a state that duh not choose candidates through conventions, this is all mystifying and somewhat nefarious. my state, minnesota, picks their candidates through conventions. also has. people who have experience with conventions are not frightened by this prospect and i don't use the term "brokered convention" because there aren't any brokers. but it's who challenges trump at that point who tries to put together a majority of -- an anti-trump majority. >> in the meantime trump could win before we actually get there. >> yes, yes. >> the editorial in the journal today talks about the cause. that's opening up in the gop and how it's quite unusual for half of the party not to want the nominee that's way out in front. that's where you obviously find yourself. this is the important point here, that both the michigan exit polls and two national surveys show that whenever you put trump head to head with any of the other three he loses.
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so that really begs the question. if trump wins, is that because the current other three gop candidates are too self interested to get together door the decent thing, and pair themselves down to one. according to the polls, if there was one other, trump would be out of this. >> that could well become the case. the only qualifier i put on what you said, up to now as you know, we've been choosing through proportional representation delegate allocations meaning you can lose a state and still get delegates. so i don't think there's been a powerful argument up to now to try to narrow the field down to one or two candidates, but as we get past this weekend to winner take all, then your question, i think, is absolutely appropriate. then only one person can win the state and if you -- as you point out, trump is vulnerable to a single opponent. but up to now, that's not been the case, but that is the case going forward. >> vin, on the sanders side, he
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takes a slew of independents in michigan, but clinton is halfway to the delegate count. how confident has he made her path? >> my view is bernie sanders got into this race initially as part of this lifelong skaus to move the democratic party to the left and establish democratic socialism. he talks about those terms. somewhere along the way he talks about it. i have great appeal. maybe i can win the nomination. it's looking now given the delicate contest to winning the nomination, so i think he's reverting or going to revert to plan a which is not going to be the nominee but i'm going to with tin gult. the democratic party is going to move substantially to the left on trade and attitude and he's winning that argument. >> yes, and we're already, mr. web eric beginning
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weber, beginning to see that. fooechb sanders doesn't win, the implications longer term for this country are substantial, aren't they? >> yeah. he's winning the policy arguments. >> for those who remember when bill clinton ran for president -- he won because the democratic party needed to reposition itself toward the center. now we have mrs. clinton running, likely to be the democratic nominee being to whatever extent you want to do forcing bernie sanders do the exact opposite, moving to the left on all the big issues. that's the opposite of what bill clinton did back in the '90s. we don't know if it's what the country as a whole wants. >> congressman there was a similarity between trump's decision particularly when it comes to trade and what sanders is saying or even things like
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prescription drug price. in a way i would note there are parallel paths here between the front-runner and mr. sanders. >> there are a great parallels and that's what troubles so many in the movement. i'm not talking necessarily about the party in government but the conservative thinkers really see this as the trump candidacy of the repudiation. ronald reagan stood for sensitive immigration policies, liberal trade policies as well as a strong national defense and you look at what trump is saying and you're right. he's closer to bernie sanders. and he's certainly repudiationing what ronald reagan built. >> we're going the see what happens on tuesday and beyond. congressman, good to have you. thanks so much. >> good to be with you guys,
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google has announced a major upgrade graid on how to browse and plan vacations. it's called google destinations. here in an exclusive ivg the intervi interview. good morning. >> good morning, simon, thank you. >> how does google destinations work? >> really it's a search problem that we've been able to take what you're doing when you're searching for travel and we combine it with what you're looking at with hotels and flight information and really preparing a really wonderful experience for the traveler who doesn't know what they want to do or where they want to go. >> so i put in european destinations or ohio destiny ty nations and i put it in the search bar. >> it's first developed on
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mobile only. more and more people are searching on their mobile device. in fact, up to 60% of folks who travel do it on their mobile device. as you know, planning is very, very difficult to do. what's going to come up is the best destinations. >> air prices, hotel prices. >> you can take a look at if you like london or paris. if not, you can see more destinations that we find are very, very important to people who are travelering today. >> go ahead. >> so once you click on that, you can explore more information, you can look at when is the best time to go. you can look at itineraries of folks who have taken those vacations from travels who have
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actually been to those locations. it's very, very helpful in that you may not know where you want to go or when you want go but we can show you in the next six months what prices are available. low prices, high prices, and if you don't care when you go, this is going to hope you make a better decision. >> you can cap the cost of it and browse within your budget. >> here at this time or -- >> all on one mobile device and with a slide your finger back and forth you can look at different prices. it's a wonderful way to see if there are high price in july, maybe i can go in june. >> there were huge decisions back in 2010 that gave you data fee. how does it compare? i'm thinking specifically of expedia and trivago along with priceline. >> think what it does is we're
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ak agree ga aggregating. at the same time you can compare pricing. we have it through our google flights and hotel ads product and that's all incorporated. the reality is a lot of folks don't know where they want go. this is helping them discover as well as compare prices. >> there are many people who watch this show that are inevitably chasing it who would be uniquely exposed to what you're announcing here. where does that leave them if you're going to expand further and further in this area? >> we look at them as great, great partners and we think this is an opportunity to provide them with more qualified leads because if we get more people exposed to wanting to travel because we made it ee f easier for them to want to travel. we're actually going to get more people with -- that are interested with these leads that we will send over to priceline and expedia. as i said, they're very good for
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the partners. >> where do you go as an organization moving forward? what is google within the travel space? you and i have spoken previously. we say, look, we're not involved. went don't roy to have people reorganizing their travel bookings. it's not what google is. would you down that path? would you buy? do you entertain purr chags them? google could easily afford to do that. >> yes. never say never but the realities were in the information system. you're trying to provide good travel information as quickly as possible d possible to do that. you do a great job of it. they do that well. they have great customer service. we want to expose more people to travel up front and work with these partners to do that. >> i think last year priceline
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spent thr$3 billion. do you inevitably buffer up against that? >> we continue to want to grow the pie in terms of we want to grow the overall folks that are able to travel and we think this is one real way to do it. destinations on google will open up that scope and we'll expose them to opportunities and areas they might want to go in the future. if that happens, we'll create a bigger opportunity for everyone. >> it's nice to have you on the television. oftentimes thee are kind of soft launches, you never say anything. it's a great great to have you here. >> it's wonderful to be here. we're excited to be here. we think we're solving a problem. i'm sure you tried the plant travel where you have to go from one link to another back and forth. here you do it all in one spot.
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that's going to make it much, much easier for folks. we're excited about it. >> good to see you. bob torres. back to you. when we come back, it's the seven-year anniversary of the market bottom. if you were brave enough to get back in in '509ing you would have serious gains on your hands. the stocks that led the way after the break. no. it's all about understanding patterns. like the mail guy at 3:12pm every day or jerry getting dumped every third tuesday. jerry: every third tuesday. we have pattern recognition technology on any chart plus over 300 customizable studies to help you anticipate potential price movement. there's no way to predict that. td ameritrade.
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welcome back to "squawk on the street." blue buffalo up. it posted better than expected fourth quarter sales boosted by demand for its dry foods. blue buffalo also expanded a three-year $2 million investment plan to build two new facilities as well as a research and development center. the trades are huge. back over to you, sara. >> thank you. looking at the broad market, it is the third longest bull market since the history. the dow is up 159%. the s&p up 193% and the nasdaq
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up a whopping 266%. it would be the next day, march 10th, that the late mark haines sat here at the exchange and called the bottom. >> however, i'm going to step out on a limb here. >> this is the big -- hold on, everybody. we've been waiting for this. >> i think we're at the bottom. i really do. >> good call. >> what day was that? >> it was the morning after when it looks like buying went in. he goes on to talk about the 200 day moving average of the dow. we were at 67%. he said, look, we were lower, in the 30s. for him, this was his moment. >> and people now reflecting over the course of the bull market. how tremendous it has been for the longevity of it. it's the third longest in history, but maybe not as impressive for the size of it, that 193%. only the fifth biggest in history and the bull is getting tired. i mean the stockmarket is down for 2016.
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so i guess, simon, the question is how much longer is there left? can it continue? we're not in the bear market because we're not down off the 27% highs for the index. >> i think what's interesting knowing mark very well is the guy who was able to call the bottom also had a view of life that was presumably relatively accurate for that period. if you asked him what he would buy for his retiemt and i did, he said, oh, i'd invest in commodity thes, of course, during that time, oil is down 22% during that, so the degree to which people's view of the market and what asset class will work best changes even that period of time, even that huge stimulation that you had initially of the market by central banks as all the other a set classes found. >> more importantly. more of the others, under armour, 3 bucks, starbucks 4rks bucks. >> it was that consumer discretionary sector that stood
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out. >> sure. with good reason. >> even the energy sector still up 40% since the lows. and if you look at the correlation which we pay close attention to today, simon, you mentioned wti down 22% since the bull market. gold is up 37%. copper up 33%. this is really a stock story and a return of profits and margins. >> also point out to the people that are probably screaming at the television, we're aware if you frame it differently and you were already sitting on massive losses a that point, the bull market doesn't appear as attractive. nobody was sitting there 100% in cash and saying, boom, let's go now. >> we mention the tremendous stimulation by banks. zero interest rate policy and the question of whether it can continue maybe rests on that with us about to tern another week here of central bank decisions. >> as one central bankers told us, you had that. >> or if they have the same
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power. if they ka k pack that punch like they used to, ecb. >> don't hold your breath. straight ahead, the ceo of qantas air joins us and the state of the consumer. we'll be right back. what's going on here? i'm val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person? more of a spokes metaphor. get organized at
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good morning, everyone. i'm sue herera. here is your cnbc update this
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hour. vice president joe biden meeting with benjamin netanyahu. he condemned a stabbing spree that killed an american student and military official. iranian news agency says iran has test fired a missile with the phrase israel must be wiped out in quotes written on them. this. cos a day after the iranians launched several missiles across the country. an explosion rocked a seattle neighborhood earlier today injuring nine firefighters. evacuating several buildings. this is after a natural gas leak. george martin who guided the beatles to stratospheric heights has died. he was described as the fifth beatle. i almost said bagel. in a statement paul mccartney
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said he was like a second father to him. he was 90 years old. that is cnbc for this hour. er of the jackie deangelis. >> we've got to a building crude inventories of 9.2 million barrels. this is a little bit higher than expected. it's a big build but less than we saw last week. the reason prices are spiking here, we were trading about 3724. now about a buck. gasoline trading. it has been building but this decline here is in line with the seasonal patterns you would expect at this time heading into the summer driving season. i think that this is what's sending crude oil a little bit higher. meantime i do want to highly the fact that there's income coming from the reuter's headlines. it looks like it's about $6 billion to $8 billion. we're looking at specific banks here. people are interpreting this to mean the saudis are expensing
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the pain and the pain will lead to action. it's hard to say whether it will or not. but, again, 6 to $8 billion really a small amount for the saudis to be borrowing at this time. saudis are trading. we're up a buck 2010. back to you on "squawk on the street." >> thanks, jack kichlt china's stockmarket mean tooil has been a source of worry if investors recently but now china's vice finance minister is speak out about the state of the country's economy. eunice spoke with them. eunice. >> that's right, sara. he wanted to change. he's hoping to reassure investors that china should no longer be a source of anxiety for the global market. he's very confident that they'll be able to manage an economic
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slowdown and that the government is very committed to carrying out and following through on their pledge to adheres to an economic target of around 6.5 to 7%. at the same time he said the leaders recognize that there is a need for economic reforms. in fact, he said the authorities were appointed to the fact as evidence that they are tackling industrial over capacity. now, one of the main messages he did want to send to global investors is beijing recognizes it needs to communicate better and he said the fact that senior leaders like him got a director from on high. this is what he had to say. >> very, very clear instruction to chinese officials.
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there's the policy. the outside market also important. we still have many things should be continue improvement. >> we also talked about a whole host of issues that are plaguing the economy including rising debt but many estimates, china's debt to gdp is at 250% and i asked him if that was a concern and he said that the leadership really recognizes that debt is a challenge and that they are monitoring the mpl levels and they they're going to do everything possible in order to prevent any systemic risk here. guys? >> eunice yoon from beijing. thank you very much, eunice. in the manetime bitter control over this country's third largest airline. new hedge funds demanding new leadership. joining us now is an airline executive completing his own
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reconstruction. alan joyce of qantas. he shed a couple of years ago 5,000 staff. he joins us from nasdaq where he rang the opening bell. good morning. good to hear from you. >> good morning. >> i guess that's important for you. but inevitably those investors are going to talk about the difference between the airline industry here and where you're from. i mean are you at an advantage when you restructure because you have, i think, is it 65% share of your home market? does that make it easier? >> it does. i mean we have 65% share of the domestic market but we also have the best premium airline, the best low cost carrier. so it's the equivalent of the united states. it's a unique structural advantage. we have an amazing frequent flyer program that has 11 million members, basically half
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of the population and there's nothing like that in the rest of globe. >> what do you make of what ee going on in this airline industry here? >> i think the u.s. airline industry has really gone through a major restructuring with the mergers of a lot of different carriers and the capacity that has seen the carriers perform exceptionally well. it's something that the rest of the world has looked to when australia in the oil market we're seeing a similar type of dynamics with two players fan as the group and the virgin group having 93% of the domestic market there. what we think is really good what we see from the u.s. is how the restructuring can curb the airline industry around. as you said, it went through a big transformation program. it's a big $2 million transformation. what's different about what we managed to achieve is our customer service ratings are at a season high and the engagement
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is at a record high. we have very good cost performance rng very good revenue performance, but major customer engagement as a consequence of those changes. >> how do you as a leader tackle that? what is the best strategy? i mean you're not the only irish man out there restructuring other people's operations. we were talking to golden ba soon on yesterday's show. he's the man that hedge funds wand to put in charge. he talked about it kind of as you did then but then he went on to suggest actually that the board was far too close. >> it's got a country club atmosphere. hasn't been paying attention. quite frankly hasn't followed good governance process and
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procedure. >> you know, you went through the wringer, yourself, alan joyce, there were wide sweeping calling for your resignation. >> they did ask for my resignation at the time. they are focused the plan for our future and i had the complete support or them. we have an amazing board, an amazing chairman. a big miner, rio tinto and an adverse board of airline and a lot of different experience from different industries. our focus was really on making sure we communicated to our people. communicated to our commerce. we spent a lot of time on communications and getting that right, but we had the right strategy. we had the right vision. we had the right support and it was making sure we got it implementnd and didn't get
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distracted. we did that successfully thanks to that great support from the board. >> alan, i did want to ask you about china because i know you have some capacity between australia, hong kong with the chinese airlines. how much of a slowdown are you seeing in terms of grouk and the chinese consumer? >> well, amazing growth. i mean the chinese market has gone through amazing growth spirits. australia gets around 1 million of them. it griens by 22% in the last year. we're the big beneficiary both internationally with people coming into the country but also given the fact that we have the vast majority of the domestic market they usually take-two to toledo mess tick trips. this is bound to quadruple in the next decade. so we're bound to grow. we have two carriers arc premium carrier and a low cost carrier that are participating in it.
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we've got him starting in vietnam. there are others also potus pating in this huge growth. so we think we're well settled for the future what will be, i think, the bivest profitable. >> i want to ask you very quickly about the price of oil. not the price of oil as it might obviously cut costs for you but the price of oil as it might affect the middle east airlines. the big guys here were out suggesting that the likeness of others were about 4. they thought it was brutally unfair for them to basically cut their own business with these subsidies. what do you see, and as a result of the price of oil falling for those middle east countries dwrourks think that those subsidies will be less for those
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airlines. >> well, look. we have a great relationship with emirates and a partnership that operates with our european hoechltd we've a great relationship with american airlines and a joint venture here in the united states. both are very important partners. what we're seeing with emirates, they're continuing grow, they're continuing nowish. they operate themarkets. not a lot were focused in on it in the past and we make good money from them. we're doing exemption skpepgsally well and similarly with american airlines, this new airline we started in december, means we have more than we ever have. we flew the world's longest route from sydney. >> you're master of diplomacy. what did i expect? nice to see you. enjoy your time in new york.
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seven years since the lows of the financial crisis. a lot of discussion on the role of the qe and federal bull market since then. we've got the perfect guest, richard fish e. richard, you were there. >> i was there. >> are you taking credit for this nearly 200% rally in the s s&p? >> it's actually 200.6.
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it had cut rates to zero but doubles its footing. that was in the first round of qe. that was the beginning of the takeoff. i think the congratulations should go to ben bernanke. it has united a rally that's continued to this day with some to'ing and fro'ing to the very end. >> really it hasn't been quite as robust. i know you've warned about the efficacy of the qe. >> right. i voted against qe3. >> do you think central banks still has the power behind the stockmarket? >> i think the power is running its course. i'd like to say we injectored cocaine and heroine into the system and now we're maintaining on ritalin. how's that? >> you know -- >> how do you come back to that one? but seriously, central banks did more than enough. unfortunately fiscal policy never followed through, and that's what everybody is waiting
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for. but this has been a helluva rally, and companies have taken advantage of it to reposition themselves and buck up their bottom lines, their returns on shareholders, and -- >> but are you surprised? >> -- it hasn't worked. >> part of the aim of the economy was to stimulate it. >> go down in income categories. it hasn't worked as effectively and it took locker. in the seven-year cycle it's got on the a point where unemployment has come down, we're seeing some increase in wage prices. good, not bad. it's now 1.7%. the last number was 1.. so we're getting closer to the 2% category. it took longer and it took longer because we have feckless fiscal authorities, the congress and president of the united
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states. how is that for an opinion? >> we can always count on you for that, richard. >> you say in word as what the federal reserve was doing. >> right. >> when you say we injected cocaine and heroin into the system -- >> right, right. >> -- did you within those conversations say let's inflate the stockmarket explicitly? >> there was a discussion about cost benefits of qe, and the major point was wealth effect. if you flatten it to the lowest yields, 239 years with history. when you do that, you change the way you discount future cass floeshs and future earnings. the market took off the first week of march 2009. we had made it clear we doubled the size of our balance sheet and we had done more. that was the true choir or admission is to introduce the fact that the rate had been cut
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to zero the year before. by the way, i did vote for her despite what people like to say. >> at that time the markets were falling and i asked you then whether the markets fell heavily, whether you would take responsibility for that or wherever the fed should take responsibility for that. now that you've had a couple of months to think about it hourks do you feel? is there a sense of responsibility to that? >> i think there's a disconnection between what markets are doing and the real economy. the real economy is dole quite well this late in the psych >> this is the second disconnect. you connected in the first and now it's happened again. >> that's right. i think we're going have a p payback with all levels. in my book, i was the only one. i'm not a ph.d. economist. i'm very proud of that, by the way. i come from a different
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background. money market background. but there's always going to be a payback. >> where does it lie? where does it lie? give us some idea? >> i have no idea. but i will say >> does it impact the real economy when it occurs or does it not like it didn't in 1962 and 1987. >> once you created the wealth effect if you're concerned about where the economy might be going what do you do with that wealth effect. do you have to protect the market. >> how do you think they think? >> will financial instability if you juan to call it that effect the economy or will it be a passing phenomenon like in 1987 or '62. >> and do you ultimately have to
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underwrite that? do you have to say that's enough now. >> i think that's a reckless thing to do. >> what about negative interest rates. >> never going to happen in the united states. >> are you surprised to see the reaction in japan. >> your return on saves i is .0001. i don't know why they put the 1 there. i think the insurance industry, the money market funds, community banks stressed on interest margins, regional banks, the big banks, and very importantly i think the politicians, you can just imagine trump saying you want to take money away from the people to finance this government. i don't see this happening in the united states and then there's one last thing. there's a real question about the efficacy of how this works. we haven't seen it work in japan. there's a question mark about europe and i think you'll just be going further up with questionable results. >> so you would favor more qe
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over negative rates. >> i think all the bullets have been shot. you can give rates back. i would favor a couple of more move bfrs you get into the heat of the election season and if we slip backwards you have something to give. >> it's a pleasure having you. especially on a day like today. >> markets heading back to the flat line. just up 20 on the dow. >> all right. let's check out our sector so far. what you're looking at is the s&p 500 energy sector standing out as the best performing sector after breaking the five day win streak yesterday. this is wti crude oil nears it's best levels so far today. following this inventory data that just came out. a draw town in gasoline and inventories. among the names leading the sector higher, tesoro, valero, marathon petroleum. one of the few positive sectors this year up just a percent in
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trading but so far in trading today it's the best performing sector. back to you guys. >> thanks, we're going to stick with energy in a way here. oil prices are climbing which should be good news for the recycling industry. they have been getting hit hard by the volatility in commodities prices and joining us to discuss more first on cnbc is jim fish. good to see you here. >> thank you. >> a lot of people don't tuns relationship between commodities prices and recycling prices. can you talk about that? >> i wish i could be a little more optimistic about commodity prices. both have been down over the last couple of years but commodity prices for recycling have been down four years running now. another 8% this year so at least as we look at it on the recycling side we're having to address it on the cost side of the business. when we think about oil and gas
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we do have a couple of touch points there. our fleet of course is diesel and natural gas. we have the biggest natural gas fleet out there in north america but we're not really -- we're kind of agnostic with respect to fuel prices because we have a fuel surcharge that acts as a hedge. >> it's more the recycling. >> it snchts why is your stock trading at multiyear highs right now? >> yeah. it's close to an all time high. if you think about us as a 12 cylinder engine we're hitting on 10 of 12 with the two we're not hitting on being recycling and energy services business. our energy services business has been hit hard by the downturn in oil and gas. it's a small business. on a base of 13 billion. the recycling side we're having to address it on the cost side of our business to try to fix that. >> closing facilities, laying off workers. isn't there more of that that's going to come. >> we're not pretty on the front
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or back end of the recycle facilities. back end we have commodity risk. front end we have operating cost opportunity. when you look at what's coming into the plants, it's a big pile of trash there. there's engine blocks and bowling balls and deer carcasses so we're talking to our municipalities about let's educate the consumer on what's repsychable an what is not and the guy that puts the deer caucus in the recycle bin, that's not an education problem. >> what dividend are you paying at the moment? look at the share price it almost says we're a dividend payer. >> our shareholders have been happen by the dividend and a lot are in the stock for the dividend and have been pleased with the stock price appreciation as well. >> i assume despite how you just described the business it's relatively steady. that's the attractiveness of it.
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>> the other 10 are hitting on full force right now. >> just quick question about climate change because we have been hearing more and more folks in business and politicians talking about the urgent need to address it. does recycling help climate change? what's the truth about that? >> it does on some of the commodities. so we say look, recycle plastics, metals, all you can. cardboards but glass is one that really needs to be both economically and environmentally sustainable and i would tell you that glass doesn't meet that on the economic side. we actually pay to get rid of glass at the back end of our plants. we gotten get paid a dime and environmentally there's no shortage of the raw materials there to use to produce glass. there's certain commodities that are good environmentally. glass is not necessarily one of them. >> thanks for coming in. >> still trying to workout what that means for beer bottles.
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but in the meantime let's send it up to john and a look at squawk alley up next on cnbc. >> we're probably going to talk a little markets. we have a rally going here but just lost all of a sudden traders talking about that if you're on the floor. loretta lynch is going to talk about apple versus fbi. we'll tune into that. kayla is going to have jack dorsey so we'll talk about that. how does this change the tenor of the presidential race. all that and more coming up on squawk alley.
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